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  • Reason is Evidence January 12, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    “Atheism isn’t a metaphysical proposition.
    Atheism makes no assertions.
    The average atheist is going to recognize the primacy of existence.
    The average atheist is going to tend toward methodological naturalism.
    That’s about as far as you can go with making generalizations”

    Yes, atheism is not a metaphysical proposition; just like theism isn’t a
    metaphysical proposition. So what’s the difference between the two?
    Neither perspective is thus existentially relevant, and therefore neither,
    until a common metaphysic as been established, is worth talking about. But
    there are MANY sidewalk barkers on both sides proclaiming the “truth” of
    their point of view. And of course this makes sense…since neither appeal
    to a metaphysical absolute, they can basically declare whatever they want
    as “evidence”, and “proof” of their argument. It’s much easier to appeal to
    an idea, call everyone else a fucking idiot, and go one with one’s day.

    Primacy of existence? Hm…but if the metaphysical axiom is “existence”
    how can one believe in methodological naturalism? Theories that espouse
    man’s creation as a direct function of processes cannot rationally declare
    the metaphysical primary of man to be his “existence”. I mean, how exactly
    do you define existence? As not OF ITSELF? But it would have to be.
    Metaphysical primaries, to be rational, must be irreducible, which means
    they cannot be a PRODUCT of something else.

    So, I submit that the primacy of existence metaphysic is in utter in
    contradiction to the belief in scientifically quantified or observed
    processes as CAUSAL. Which means that either the metaphysic is wrong, or
    the interpretive paradigm (natural processes) is wrong. Which is it?

  • jose quervo January 12, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    what you BELIEVE is irrelevant. you can believe anything you want that does
    not make it factual or true.
    beliefs and faith are basically the same things. WISHES and emotional
    GUESSES. backed up by zero FACTS. evolution ha physical evidence that
    predates anything religious or biblical.
    believing in an invisible magic ghost man that lives in another dimension
    is not realistic. it’s a fantasy.
    not only that, but dying and having your magic Casper the friendly ghost
    living inside your biological human body, leaving earth for this other
    dimension. where TIME (see clock for length of eternity) ceases to exist.

  • jose quervo January 12, 2015 at 8:31 pm

    atheism is not believing in a god or gods. religion makes it into more than
    it is.
    Christianity and all religion wants to convert everyone to their way of
    thinking. which we have found is NOT thinking at all. it’s obedience, like
    Hitler and the others. and that obedience is not about a god. it’s about
    THEM. if any religious person wants to see what god looks like all they
    have to do is look in a mirror, that is the whole purpose of religion.

    if you look at it right, Christians use the phrase.
    “We were made in gods image”
    then they go on their arrogance and telling everyone they must be obedient
    and not question them. they live under hypocrisy. and man other things.
    so they are not acting in the name of a god. they are acting as if they
    themselves ARE god. telling us that we must be obedient. threatening us
    with death and some fake fire land of forever spreading fear,
    this is not consistent with what’s in the bible.
    the bible i FULL of half truths fantasies and contradictions. Christians
    only read bits and pieces of the bible.
    atheists have read the whole bible front to back starting from page 1 and
    reading it like a regular book. all the way through to the last page.
    when you read the bible like a regular book. it paints an entirely
    different story. and it is not a nice book when you read it like a regular
    book. that is how most of us became atheists. we don’t cherry pick the
    bible apart and only choose the parts we like, religious people DO. and
    that is not good. 

  • Travis Hedglin January 12, 2015 at 8:37 pm

    I am not entirely sure I completely understand your reasoning, but I think
    a conversation about methodology would be a better conversation than one
    about our positions.

  • jose quervo January 12, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    you were correct in one thing.
    there is NOTHING consistent about ANY religion.
    that is why we find it to be false.
    also, the archaeology, anthropology and paleontology. shows us physical
    evidence that is consistent with the evolutionary process. and not just
    (guesses and wishes and hopes,) ( beliefs, faith, and hopes) which are all
    simply emotional states of mind. and pretty irrational states of mind at
    best.

  • Reason is Evidence January 12, 2015 at 9:31 pm
  • Quentin Raff
    Quentin Raff January 15, 2015 at 1:57 am

    it’s a socialist movement. it ain’t nothing!

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