Dennis Prager with Charles Krauthammer regarding the “insanity of atheism” – VIDEO

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Not Crazy

Charles Krauthammer speaks from ignorance. A non theistic view is not that
the universe came from nothing. Where the universe or God came from are the
same question. If the theist says “God always existed” then the non-theist
can say the universe always existed, i.e. pantheism. “Pantheism” is a
contradiction of terms. A non-theist can be a pantheist, but a theist
cannot. Unfortunately, we are stuck with this stupid word.

Shea Volanti

Right back at ya 😉

krakendahed

Apparently, your response answers my question. I guess I shouldn’t have
expected much from you. 🙂

Shea Volanti

Right back at ya.

Cafeeine

I did provide a defense of my position, and you replied by repeating the
caricature I mentioned. Unless you wish to address the substance in my
comments, there is nothing more to say.

Shea Volanti

Are you attacking the person, or the arguement? Instead of having a defense
of your own position, all you are doing is attacking “a caricature you
offered” of what a generic theistic view is and bringing Christianity into
the mix to confound the issue even more. We are merely talking about
existence. Your persistently are confounding the issue with “a caricature
you offered”. That is why I said you are projecting and usually there is an
emotional aspect or reason why people project things.

Shea Volanti

When you have no logical arguement left, all you can do is revert to lower
base forms of discussion and theatrics by throwing insults and emotions
such as smileys.

krakendahed

Krause’s “Nothing–Universe” idea is definitely not the same as the
metaphysical “nothing–Universe” idea. Theists like to conflate the two so
they can argue the latter as a straw man argument into submission with a
WLC chokehold. Yet, their own god hypothesis relies upon creation ex nihilo
as a reason the cause has to violate known natural laws (the can’t be done
naturally, must have been magic defense). Were you this dull as a boy too?
🙂

AtheistAlias

You can be an atheist without accepting any of this stuff. This entire
premise is a strawman.

Cafeeine

I disagree, This is a video with Dennis Prager, who is very much a
Christian. If that is not your position, fine, but it was a reasonable
assumption. My reply applies to a generic theistic view as well, so don’t
let my use of Christianity stop you. I don’t see where you got the emotions
from, certainly not from my comments.

Shea Volanti

I’ve never entered Christiantiy into this discussion, that’s another topic
all together. It seems you despise Christians quite a bit. “What I said was
my actual position, rather than the caricature you offered. ” Isn’t this
you projecting?!?! We are just talking about existence, and you jump right
to Christianity and spirits. This is the type of self speak that I am
talking about. It seems you’re an atheist for emotional reasons first, then
you rationalize things from there like Dawkins.

Cafeeine

And to reiterate, when are you (theists) going to answer the question of
how nebulous wisps can create matter, and how disembodied ideas can affect
the material world? How does a spirit create a universe? Why do you think a
spirit could do that?

Cafeeine

“life from non-life”. Life is a natural phenomenon and we know a lot of how
it arose from non-living matter, although not all, yet, but there is no
reason to posit an external agent. It is unnecessary. Ironically, the
biological definition of life is physical, corporeal. By that definition,
the Christian god cannot be said to be “alive”, so “life from non-life”
applies far better to the Christian worldview.

Cafeeine

What I said was my actual position, rather than the caricature you offered.
I think there is a natural phenomenon behind the singularity, not a
magician’s wand. I base that on the fact that our experience shows us its
natural phenomena and not supernatural stories that explain the world. We
see the track record of superstitious thinking in mythology books. “Nothing
creates a universe” is true in the sense that nothing is created ex nihilo,
its natural processes all the way down.

Shea Volanti

You couldn’t answer my questions which is why I repeated them again. I just
found your answer insufficient, evasive, and then go off on a tangent of
things I’ve never said. Are you the one projecting here and having a
dialogue with your own self speak?

Cafeeine

Did you read my comment or are you just replying to the echoes of what you
think I said?

Shea Volanti

Nothing creates a universe? Life coming from non-life? You still don’t get
it.

wwwTrueFreethinker

Papa, I recently posted the video “Atheist cosmogony: In the beginning” so
there!!!!

Cafeeine

Atheist thinking only requires a natural explanation for the origin of the
singularity, as there has been for everything else in our experience. When
have you observed gods creating universes from nothing, or anything really?
How do you account for a disembodied intelligence that can create matter,
space and time while apart from these things? You don’t have a solution for
these, you just brush them aside, as if just adding a god is enough.
Because gods are “magic” and can do anything.

Shea Volanti

When in your lifetime have you seen something come from nothing? When have
you seen life come from non-life? For me, the atheist thinking is far more
magical and irrational.

Cafeeine

What is interesting about this exchange is that Krauthammer is a perfect
example of that rare animal, the agnostic theist, who clearly finds theism
more plausible than atheism, but has the epistemic humility not to claim
certainty and who, if he calls himself just “an agnostic” misuses the term
as many agnostic atheists do, so Prager touting him as ‘not a believer’ is
a misnomer.

Cafeeine

It’s amusing that you protest that God is used as a gap plug, when your
rebuttal consists of an incredulity that an atheist doesn’t plug the hole
left by your god. Calling god “what always has been” is an empty
proposition. Its the essence of the GOTG. As for the origin of the
singularity, I am happy to await results from the same people who figured
out the singularity, the people (atheists and theists!) who work in
science, not theology.

Shea Volanti

Really? Your standing by the “Nothing — Universe” What started the big
bang? Nothing! Really? God is not a Gap filling, it’s what always has been.
It would have been easier to debate for atheism under Newtons view of the
universe, but quantum mechanics and the evidence for a point of singularity
of the Universe flies directly against an atheist view.

Harizl

Easy target…..what a joke.

krakendahed

Nothing—- —-Universe Nothing—-God—-Universe. Atheists just don’t
use a god to fill in the gap. 🙂

Atheism is insane because something came from nothing? Where did god come from then? Does god have a creator? Or did god come from nothing? My biggest issue with religion is that none of the faiths answer that question. We can from god..who is eternal. Just like some atheist say about the universe. Before becoming atheist, I never had any idea how much hate atheist face.

Dennis Prager talking about insanity. That’s pretty funny.

The truth hurts Kareem, believers always claim they are seeking the truth, but really don’t want to hear it. 😛