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They did… Deuteronomy 22:25. I’m as anti-religion as anyone, but people need to get their facts straight. Also, as a man, I resent the implication that men don’t find rape to be deplorable.

Just as usual, power dynamics can override the laws…even in Biblical times. I bet many of those priests among Hebrews were pedos, rapists, and worse.

Um…. Matt, maybe you should start by getting your facts straight before trying to lecture others? That verse, which is part of a book in the bible that to say is supremely self-contradicting is quite the understatement, basically says that men can’t rape women who are bethrothed aka engaged to be married. All other women/girls are pretty much fair game. But hey, engaged girls are protected. that makes me feel much better. 😛

Oh btw, there are may places in the world that STILL consider rape to be a wrist-slapper, if that. Hmm… think that might be because some if not most “men” in those places may still consider rape to be less than deplorable? Hmmmm…. 😛

I’m not saying that the bible is any sort of wonderful moral guide book, quite the opposite. But to say that the bible never says to stone rapists is patently false. Fight religion every way you can, but don’t make stuff up. It only weakens your arguments.

“I’m not saying that the bible is any sort of wonderful moral guide book, quite the opposite.” Wow… what a relief. 😛 “But to say that the bible never says to stone rapists is patently false.” Actually, no, it’s not. 😛 We already established why. The verse you tout only covers women who are slated to be married. Nevermind that she ends up not getting married (due to being damaged goods thanks to the rape), and ends up living the rest of her life a marked woman, a spinster. No, nevermind all that. 😛 Another point worth mentioning. The whole… Read more »

25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. Obviously this says to stone the rapist. So your claim is wrong. That’s all I’m arguing here. Yes, stoning adulterers is wrong. Yes, forcing a woman to marry her rapist is wrong. We’re on the same page here. The bible, and most of religion, is evil. My only point here is that the claim made about… Read more »

No offense, but there is no mention of stoning rapists in Deuteronomy. There is a verse regarding a man raping a betrothed women being the one to die, but there is no more mention of the method of execution (stoning being made a big deal in the cases where they considered it applicable because it was a public, painful, and humiliating form of execution reserved for women and heretics) and this is less a punishment for rape, and more a punishment for stealing the property of another man, hence why the ‘property’ isn’t also punished.

I can’t believe I’m having this conversation… The standard method of execution in biblical times was by stoning (described multiple times in Numbers, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, 1 Kings, 2 Chronicles, and so on). The only other methods of execution mentioned in the old testament are burning and hanging. Hanging is never mentioned as a method of execution in Deuteronomy, only stoning. Further the verses leading up to 22:25 state: “23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of… Read more »

“25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. ” That is only one version of several. That verse, along with many other OT verses, have been translated and mistranslated to the point of ridiculousness. In any case, the version you chose to cite still supports my argument, not yours. 😛 “Obviously this says to stone the rapist.” No, it says to put the rapist… Read more »

Holes In the Foam; I think what 😛 Mr. Spetter is attempting 😛 to convey is that the 😛 bible does state to 😛 kill men who rape 😛 via stoning or other means 😛 and that is all :P. You both seem to be 😛 arguing the 😛 same moot point here. 😛

Actually… that’s not what Mr. Spetter is arguing, but thanks for your input anyway.

🙂

I would think I know full well what I am arguing better than you. It seems that one of us (me) is content to argue my point with actual evidence, while as the other (you) prefers plugging your ears and spewing ad hominem attacks coupled with obnoxious emoticons. I was hoping you would raise yourself up to my level; I shan’t be lowering myself to yours.

I apologise, 🙂 I may have mis-red :S Mr. Spetters original statement, 😛 “They did (say kill men who rape)… Deuteronomy 22:25.” 😀 Or maybe I mis-red your original rebuttal to 🙁 Mr. Spetter, “basically says that men can’t rape women”. 😛

Matt, actually no. your verse merely protects a woman who is pledged to marry. The verynext paragraph tells what happens to an Un-pleldged woman – she has to MARRY her rapist: If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Deut.22:28,29. Sorry, but the bible was written by men, and it was not kind or even… Read more »

Name a single religion that treated women fairly. They are all guilty of sexism. BUT that doesn’t mean that men today are all rapists, which what the original posted picture is (secretly) implying and what I believe is Mr. Spetters beef.

I also believe the argument between Mr. Spetter and Holes In The Foam is splitting hairs. Very finely.

” I can’t believe I’m having this conversation…” Oh don’t worry, I say that all the time. Especially when I’m dealing with obtuse dolts. 🙂 “The standard method of execution in biblical times was by stoning (described multiple times in Numbers, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, 1 Kings, 2 Chronicles, and so on). The only other methods of execution mentioned in the old testament are burning and hanging. Hanging is never mentioned as a method of execution in Deuteronomy, only stoning.” So… you agree that there at least another two. 🙂 And yet, in the very verse you referred to in your initial… Read more »

“I apologise, I may have mis-red :S ”

You may have misspelled as well. 🙂

“Mr. Spetters original statement, “They did (say kill men who rape)… Deuteronomy 22:25.” Or maybe I mis-red your original rebuttal to Mr. Spetter, “basically says that men can’t rape women”.

Well, you “mis-red” more than once Tim. Too bad my overly cheeky annotations went over your head, but then again, so did the rest of what I said. Imagine that.

No 😛 needed.

Oh Ramona, don’t you know? Semantics and loopholes are everything in the bible. As proven by these guys. Let’s not weaken our arguments.

“Name a single religion that treated women fairly.” Uh… Wicca? 😛 “They are all guilty of sexism.” You sure about that? Never mind that we’re only talking about christianity (and since the OT is the point, judaism too) right now. “BUT that doesn’t mean that men today are all rapists, which what the original posted picture is (secretly) implying and what I believe is Mr. Spetters beef.” Again, that’s NOT what the meme is saying Tim. The real point is that back in the days when the bible was written, rape was indeed not a huge deal as long as… Read more »

“I also believe the argument between Mr. Spetter and Holes In The Foam is splitting hairs. Very finely.”

Wow… do ya think? 😛

“I would think I know full well what I am arguing better than you.” Of course you would, Matt. We expect nothing less from someone as obtuse as you. 🙂 “It seems that one of us (me) is content to argue my point with actual evidence, while as the other (you) prefers plugging your ears and spewing ad hominem attacks coupled with obnoxious emoticons.” ‘Actual evidence’, the evidence you have presented in this thread only proves you wrong. Furthermore, it underscores the fact that you don’t even know why a man who rapes a betrothed virgin is even being executed.… Read more »

Oh, and just one more thing. This is not my meme, it’s a repost from one of my tumblr feeds. Have a nice day! 🙂

I feel like you’re trying to debate things with me that really aren’t debatable. I agree with almost everything you’re saying. So for the sake of brevity, I’m going to only try and clarify my two original contentions, rather than address every thing you’ve said that we agree on. If we can agree that biblical “morals” are the furthest thing from morality, and that most of the laws set out in the old testament are abhorrent, I hope we can clear up these couple little differences: First, the meme states that at no point in the bible is it commanded… Read more »

Bleh. I’m done with this. Everyone is yelling about who can yell it loudest.

Nah, it’s just a couple of obtuse blowhards who like to hear themselves blather.

No need to name names. 😛

“I feel like you’re trying to debate things with me that really aren’t debatable.” Oh really, I’M the one… 😛 ” I agree with almost everything you’re saying. So for the sake of brevity, I’m going to only try and clarify my two original contentions, rather than address every thing you’ve said that we agree on. If we can agree that biblical “morals” are the furthest thing from morality, and that most of the laws set out in the old testament are abhorrent, I hope we can clear up these couple little differences:” Really? You’re going to try again? 😮… Read more »

The point once again is that there is only one suggestion in the entire bible about lawfully killing a rapist, and not only does it not imply stoning, but the crime being punished for isn’t rape, it’s theft of a woman who is owned by another man. If that woman were not betrothed or engaged to another, there would be no crime, and no punishment issued. So this meme is technically accurate, in the sense that there are no bible passages in which God incurs people to stone rapists.

Crissi, I know I’m going to get shit for “picking one of a thousand translations of the bible” and therefore not having a leg to stand on, so how about you pick the translation you want to debate and I’ll tell you why you’re wrong.

Matt, you sure you want to keep letting your dead camel get kicked? 😛