Lemon’s Wager… I like it! :) – VIDEO

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Lemon’s Wager on Tumblr: http://tinyurl.com/aftj3al I came up with this idea and presented it to a group of atheists during a podcast. I asked if any had hea…

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Steve Harvey

I really like the people here in this particular area of YT, everyone is so cute 🙂 I really appreciate open discussion and disagreement with some respect for peoples different views. (on all sides) Story telling is a good way to express something from a personal experience and some of my most loved books are autobiographies. If you really want to know where people are coming from regarding their opinions or life experience there’s no better way than a good story. I don’t have to agree to enjoy.

Bushimo

I came here to watch an attractive young woman speak. During which time, I discovered that I enjoyed her thought provoking dissertation and decided to check out her other videos and get a subscription.

Lee Lemon

DAMN.

TheJagman1971

Maybe pascal understood that faith in Christ has nothing to do with religion. All religions are invallide so why include them……check!

Michael Kasif

I was being sarcastic, but people actually think like that 😛

MSG685

Just because you don’t know how it coulda happened is not proof of god in anyway. Nice Bill’O quote though.

richywicky1

Animals – Evolution
Tides – gravitational forces of the Sun and Moon
Thunder – Comes from lightning. Lightning is a massive electrostatic discharge.
Your “proof” is all explained by science… Who’s ignorant? Thought so.

Michael Kasif

I have evidence and prof of god, i mean look around, all the animals idk how it coulda happened without almighty god. How do the tides go in and out? Where does thunder come from? See i have proof of god, accept it or be ignorant. Checkmate.

xsweetx6

jo blow: “prophets, the church and Jesus”
that doesn’t even counts as evidence. lol.

jo blow

Lots of proof, evidence. Lots! No one ever said you would accept it. Just that theirs evidence.

cruelsuit1

The only possible real God is the one that doesn’t exist and is not worshipped. Any God a believer would choose from by Pascal’s reckoning would reward you with immortality for your selfish and fearful decision. No real God would care to have an eternal relationship with myriad truckling intellectual poltroons. All great truths are paradoxes. Genuine atheism is the only possible way to save your soul. But you must absolutely believe that this is not true.

notagain213

Sorry, Ms. Lemon. This idea has been around for a couple of decades. It’s called, fittingly enough, the Atheist’s Wager. From Wikipedia: “The wager was formulated in 1990 by Michael Martin, in his book Atheism: A Philisophical Justification, and has received some traction in religious and atheist literature since.”

Tasarran

Which God is that?
Because the real bet of Pascal’s Wager is that you picked the right god, out of the thousand or so you could choose from.
People can’t even agree on what Yaweh/Allah wants…

Tasarran

Any proof at all would do.
Those things you mention above?
Not proof, not evidence, not anything.

TheCyrix1

Typical circulmar reasonning
Creation is prove of god ; creation can exist only by an allmighty god. then god is almighty what is proven by the bible…
If you suppose one of this think is false (like creation which has been proven wrong) ALL the building collapse
And a quote of the bible can’t be taken as proof : bible is NOT a reliable source of existence of god

Austin Scott

So many gods but no love for the people my mama told me that were all made equal what we fighting for why are we still at war where’s the love

cruelsuit1

The real God wanted to create a free-thinking, free-willed being to share eternity with. So He allows all manner of philosophy/religion to exist. Then He disregards those who choose their beliefs out of fear. Pascal’s Wager has the exact opposite effect that Pascal intended because Pascal didn’t understand the motives of God. The only people who are invited to Heaven are those who have an absolute disbelief in a Creator and still conduct themselves with morals and compassion. The fearful lose.

jo blow

Look at creation. Extrapolate backwards to the power and majesty of God. It is plain not hidden. Romans chapter 1. Don’t forget all the prophets, the church and Jesus christ himself coming to earth. What more proof do you need?

TheCyrix1

If your god exists why hide he himself?
And don’t borrow me with enpty claims like “he reveal him only with open heart” and other sillyness.
Exactly like the tenant opf p^rayer Healing who explain the ridiculous rate of success (below 1% then at least 10 times less than placebo effect) by saying “they don’t pray enough”
OUTER DISHONESTRY

jo blow

nOPE.

jo blow

So, in the sense that he denies them GOOD(if they never repent), the experience of that denial is like a “hatred” or a hell. Does an earthly judge LOVE a lawbreaker? Is it LOVE to send them to prison? Does prison feel like love? No! So by contrast and in this context it can be understood that the judges posture toward the criminal is “hate”. But God never has MALICE toward the sinner but he can’t divorce his holiness from his love, therefore he “hates” the sinner BUT with no malice!

jo blow

My God DO EXIST.

That’s the point. I understand it better than alot of christians do. And…i can demonstrate it to you. Tell me? If God “loves” everybody why does he send them to hell? Because he obviously doesn’t! You see, the way to reconcile this is by HOW the words “love” and “hate” are used. God “hates” the sinner in that he despises sin. The sinner SINS, while wants their GOOD, he cannot seperate the SIN from the SINNER forever! He therefore passes judgement.

Parralyzed

That’s true ofc, as opposed to some other gods… (I’m looking at you, Yahweh)

TheCyrix1

If he want…but he doesn’t because he is a loving god !

Parralyzed

Odin could kick Loki’s ass!

TheCyrix1

Sorry ….I feel LOKI far more funny then I prefer workship him !

Parralyzed

Yes, and it proves, that Odin exists.

PRAISE THE MIGHTY ODIN!

TheCyrix1

You(re god is just a DELLUSION
He say he will destroy wicked people…we can find them everywhere
Odin say he will destroy ice giants… can you see one ?
That prove your god is not really one, he is just a man-made illusion

TheCyrix1

Your god DON’T EXIST
But your statement is not coherent with your OWN beliefs
You say “God hates you” when your religion say “god loves everybody”
You’re so dumb you can’t follow correctly your OWN principle
You’re nothing but a shit

pimplequeen2

As flowery as all that is, it doesn’t get to the nub for me.
I labour under slightly better love.

Love is very simple… it is that thing that causes pain by proxy.
That thing that makes my well-being dependant upon other peoples well-being.
Nothing more.
“motherly love” is just love with a sprinkling of “dependency” as are your other various versions… just love with a sprinkling of lust or fear etc… some people think sexual possessiveness is love.
Love is so simple it is elusive.

jo blow

Part 4

So, if you want Love. Find the truth that God is the creator of this reality. He want’s to Love you and for you to love him. He wants you to find peace, love, joy, rest in him and in his good laws. This is the economy of God’s love.

jo blow

Part 3

You know you have love that is based in truth because it gives you peace of mind, rest, intimacy and joy. You cannot be immoral and experience joy from that, that is why Jesus said “if you love me obey my commandments”. Love is a verb, an action word. The greatest illusion/lie is that freedom means not being bound by ANY laws but the truth is…true freedom comes from living with the boundaries of laws that are GOOD. A good God, gave us, Good laws cause he LOVES us.

jo blow

Part 2.

Love must have it’s basis in truth. Truth is light, the absence of darkness. God is the ultimate source of light and therefore truth. Biblical Love is expressed as “doing right/good, in truth, in relation to something else.” by contrast “hollywood love” is fast, exciting but shallow,temporary and ultimately SELF serving. Love is a spiritual thing and often is expressed in physical acts. You “see” love, not by words but by “actions” Gods love is an action kind of love not sentiment.

pimplequeen2

OK lets cut to the nub, what is your definition of “love”?………

jo blow

Part 1.
I would prefer to dialog about Love rather than make an attempt to exhaustively define it with just words…but…if forced to…the highest and best LOVE is always rooted in more than a single quality. It is also important to note that there are different relational contexts OF LOVE. ie, mother/son, husband/wife , child/pony, God/humans, which will introduce different meanings to love but still have similarities. part 1

pimplequeen2

OK lets cut to the nub, what is your definition of “love”?

jo blow

I’m sorry you feel abrahamics Gods words are hollow with regards to love. This is an ignorant statement but expected because you judge through the lense of your modern secular humanism. There is no genuine love if it is not based in TRUTH. The truth is God brought us into existence, morality comes from him and love is true when it is founded in THESE. So coming to God is the deepest and most profound love you can find in reality.

jo blow

Also, “love” in a material, atoms, molecules,energy is all there is reality…is a fiction in your head. Just a accidental byproduct of social evolutionary biology to provide a means to replicate bi pedal hominids. Any importance or value you impose on “love” or “man” is just pure fantasy. In atheism, PHILOSOPHICALLY…ultimately everything is meaningless. I’m not saying you don’t have temporary purposes rather those amount to nothing…ultimately. Best wishes.

jo blow

Pimple,

“maybe God over slept” is that not a spiteful tone? so don’t talk to me about spite. Don’t talk to me about love. Is your tone in these exchanges Loving?

If i turn my back on what is pitiful and wretched i will have to reject atheism, which is a shortsighted worldview that has failed to sufficiently ,satisfactorily , exhaustively explain the “how and why” of reality. It just doesn’t cut it.

pimplequeen2

I’m not worried.
What you fail to see is, this is not about “choice”, those of us with the capacity for love don’t get the luxury of being able to ignore that Abarahamic God’s words are hollow with regards to love.
Just like your words… full of spite and vanity.
There is a better way… turn your back on what your heart knows is pitiful and wretched and let love do your talking… If we end up at war with the maker of the universe it is better to die with “love” one our side.than live without!

jo blow

In 50 years or less you’ll know. That kind of time is gone in a blink. So…you’ll know very soon . Not to worry!

pimplequeen2

Well we have been waiting for quite a long time now…. maybe God over slept… or maybe you are just wrong.
Wipe the slaver off your chin and calm down

jo blow

Go ahead cheat on God. Be a slut and sleep with the devil. But don’t be surprised when God judges you and finds you guilty. You can serve the devil or God. You can love God or the devil. No its not megalomania, thats the stupid thing i ever heard. God doesn’t need you. He doesn’t love you. He hates you. But if you repent he will love you and forgive you. Though he hates sinners he still died for them. Some are being saved some are not. You’ll see.

jo blow

Fornication, drunkeness , homosexuality is perversion. God is good for destroying wicked nations. You are evil when you call him evil for doing so. You are so warped , you don’t even know it. One day you will.

TheCyrix1

Your so called “God of love” considere not workshipping him is a sign of corruption Worthing the death…
It’s not love is megalomania, coercision and tyranny ! then EVILNESS