• Militant Anti-theist March 5, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    I agree, which is why I find the use of the word “Islamophobia” to be
    problematic. It seems to me the term “Islamophobia” has amalgamated
    criticism of Islam with hatred of Muslims, which is disingenuous and
    harmful, because it suggests that you can’t do the one without
    automatically being guilty of the other. Islamophobia is now even used by
    some to describe a hatred of brown people in general, which has enabled
    some people to accuse anyone who criticizes or mocks Islam of being racist.
    I resent such amalgamations, and I think it’s unhelpful to say the least to
    try and silence criticism of such a prevalent and influential religion that
    is Islam through such underhand tactics. So what is to be done? 

  • Gussie Jives March 5, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    My biggest issue in conversations comes when I deploy the word “sexist” or
    “misogynist” against say GamerGaters or those that defend Hitman
    Absolution’s use of strippers. I really wish this word either didn’t raise
    hackles as much or we had a word to describe the subtle prejudice that
    underlies these attitudes.

    Still… the words must bite. Otherwise, they won’t shame.

  • Shill Master March 6, 2015 at 12:07 am

    You make some very interesting points about not being a “word nazi”, and in
    general I’d agree with you.

    I can’t help but feel that the definition someone uses matters though. A
    concern I have with calling any prejudice “sexism” or “racism” is that it
    might equate between prejudice against men and women, or Caucasians and
    African Americans. Generally, prejudice is pretty bad on it’s own, but when
    it’s against marginalized groups and it has structural support it’s much
    worse. That’s the main reason why I think the distinction is important.

    Of course, ranting like I just did about a definition is most likely not
    the best approach in a discussion. An alternative might be to accept their
    definition, but also try to explain the differences between prejudice
    against groups based on their societal power.

    So, I guess my question is: how do you solve similar situations?

  • sykeo123 March 6, 2015 at 12:38 am

    Dillahunty is atheist+ cultist.

    *PS: Many words does not make a better argument. You could have made your
    points much shorter and clean.*

  • polymath7 March 6, 2015 at 12:54 am

    Nine times in ten, when people squabble over definitions like this, what
    they decidedly are *not* doing is attempting to clarify meaning. That is,
    they are not trying to settle upon a denotation, they are seeking to
    conscript the aid of a connotation, either pejorative or honorific. This
    is an extremely crude and transparent ploy, and no one of the slightest
    acuity has much excuse for getting entangled in it. I prefer to simply ask
    people their definitions and strangle them with rope of their own supply.

    “I say again to you sir, define your terms, or we will never understand
    each other.”


  • Dennis Moore March 6, 2015 at 1:18 am

    Like anything we can approach linguistics questions from many angles. This
    will be very lame from a post, bur bear with me. If I approached
    physically you and asked if you had two 5 dollars bills, what would be
    your assumptions? That I had a 10 dollar bill and I needed change, and not
    that I wanted the information if you had or not said bills. That is silly,
    but it points to another dimension of the terms, else we will come back to
    stupid discussions about the religious beliefs of rocks (while at the same
    time having the audacity of making fun of all the discussion of the gender
    of angels).
    Anyway let’s bring this to practical terms. If you check +noelplum99 video’s
    chat you will see that we had a brief exchange where I concluded that when
    I followed the logic of Dawkins, when he says that moderates give cover to
    extremists. In his first defense (that I saw) of anti-theism, he make it
    clear that there are anti-theists that are some of them that are way
    aggressive and prejudiced against people of faith. In his second, he points
    that there are cases of real Islamophobia, a clear distinction from people
    like Hitchens. I don’t recall ever seeing a case of bigotry from him.
    And +noelplum99 , if you get this, try to understand where all this are
    coming from. See this video by +Hobbes H ( It is a great satire (and I
    am happy that it is back). It is almost point by point what was said by
    many anti-theists (you can also check Cpt Andy’s video on JG). And it is
    not only a discourse by some fringe anti theists, it is by many, and by the
    most famous of them. To generalize, is unfair, of course, but I am trying
    to give you some perspective.
    About the anti-feminists, it’s similar. There will be the smegheads. But
    some will be pretty reasonable. Maybe some actually think feminism is the
    crazy ones. Maybe “patriarchy” sounds a conspiracy theory (heck, the way
    some people describe it…). Approach it case by case. If labels had only one
    dimension I would still be an Atheist.

  • Zennistrad1 March 6, 2015 at 1:27 am
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