“I knew what jihad meant. When Bin Laden spoke about jihad, it made sense to me.” Tania Joya was married to the highest-ranking American in ISIS, John Georgelas (also known as Yahya Al-Bahrumi or Abu Hasan), currently believed to be in Syria. She is the mother of their four children. She joins us for a jaw-dropping two-hour conversation, taking us through her childhood growing up as a Bangladeshi-British girl who became radicalized after 9/11. She discusses all the factors that led to her radicalization, her subsequent marriage to John, her incredible travels in some of the world’s most dangerous spots in Egypt and Syria, her interactions with other ISIS soldiers, and finally, how and why she left her marriage, Syria, ISIS, and Islam. We also spoke about the reaction Westerners have to her—ranging from appreciation to distrust and wanting her punished, her conflicted feelings about her ex-husband, and that infamous Piers Morgan interview. Tania is whip-smart, insightful, and impossible to not listen to.